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deFL0	5th ed Outflanking reserves	Lead	[-]
Posts: 3580 (05/05/08 13:24:01) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None So it looks like infiltrating or scouting models have a choice of deploying via scout or infiltrate rules or may try to do an outflank maneuver. An outflank maneuver basically holds a unit in reserve and on a d6 roll of 1-2 the unit enters play via left short edge, 3-4 enter via right short edge, 5-6 choose. Also the unit may do this in a dedicated transport. It's kind of a funky rule. Can you guys think of any really over the top combos with this? Tau path finders were my firs thought, Dark angel bike squads could do some nifty stuff, maybe something sneaky with Karanderas attached to a scorpion squad bought seperately with a wave serpent. Sentinels or war walkers might be an interesting surprise unit too. Pete
ZiggyQubert		#1	[-]
Posts: 417 (05/05/08 14:30:57) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	hummm... depends on weather you can charge on the turn you come in dosen't commander shreik have inffiltrate? How about kroot, the whole army can chose this or do it in combination? Or a gene steeler horde ------------------ - Brookie
Xocer		#2	[-]
Posts: 66 (05/05/08 14:56:56) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Don't Chaos Chosen have infiltrate? Can't they take a Land Raider as a dedicated transport? Charlie
veritas117		#3	[-]
Posts: 196 (05/05/08 15:55:58) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Only a rhino. However, Colonel Schaeffer's Last Chancers can have 20 demo-charges show up behind enemy lines. That, or 20 plasma guns, meltaguns, etc. The rest of the IG army can pop in back there too I suppose, but it's just not as exciting with them.
Flavius Infernus		#4	[-]
Posts: 2537 (05/06/08 05:38:39) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Yeah, the light infantry doctrine would let an entire IG army do this. Not in transports, though. (because transported units can't take the doctrine, right?). Dirt-cheap 5-man stormtrooper units with twin meltas wouldn't necessarily need a transport anymore to play anti-tank. Also an Eversor or Culexus assassin would be interesting to bring into the backfield. Even if the assault isn't allowed, a Culexus can really mess up a librarian or inquisitor if he can get within 12" or tuck into a corner and screw up the leadership bubbles. It might also make death cult assassins a more viable choice. War walkers & striking scorpions are also good possibilities. I guess the scorps could even be riding in a wave serpent. And isn't there a necron unit that could use it? Does it make that unit any less useless? -Tom
Ronen Warrior		#5	[-]
Posts: 5911 (05/06/08 06:06:26) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tom - I think it's the flayers that get infiltrate in the necron list. Problem is their getting back up, an isolated unit on the flank won't be back. At first, I wasn't too crazy about this rule, but after thinking about it, it's growing on me. If nothing else, it will allow for games to be much more diverse. Makes more units viable, like marine bike squads, etc. Does anyone know what new armies are on the horizon? I imagine that Marines will be redone with 5th edition, and the second army to be redone will be the army that marine are fighting in the box set. How about guard? They didn't even get a codex during 4th ed.
deFL0		#6	[-]
Posts: 3581 (05/06/08 06:36:59) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Dark Eldar are also currently in the works. Their codex is basically unusable in 5th ed. Anyway, I didn;t even think about all infiltrating armies... We're surrounded by Kroot!!! I think out of all of them though the genestealer horde scares me the most though. Littel bugs in the front to push you back as tie you up. Genstealers in the side, running at you. Also - Good call on the last chancers, that's hilarious. It's a great rule as it forces units like basilisks out of the corner, and might actually make units like storm troopers useful for things like deamon hunters. Pete
VectorAWX3		#7	[-]
Posts: 21736 (05/06/08 07:44:45) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tactically speaking, against an all-infiltrating guard/genestealer/kroot/etc. army, wouldn't I just deploy heave to one side, then kill off the 1/3 which enter on that side for easy VP's while completely ignoring the other 2/3 of the enemy army? Or are objective missions so important that VP's just don't do it anymore? ------------------------------ I'm the Mega Battle Champion, and Rob and Kevin are not. :P
deFL0		#8	[-]
Posts: 3586 (05/06/08 13:54:20) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	2/3 of the missions don't even have VPs unless there is a tie. Then it goes to VPs as a tie breaker. Also, you don't have to deploy via out flanking reserves, and you don't even know they will be in outflanking reserves until after deployment, so you couldn't really counter it. If you deployed in a corner they could literally surround you and pin you in, which most cases would be suicide. Pete
Flavius Infernus		#9	[-]
Posts: 2538 (05/07/08 04:53:07) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Also because of the way the outflanking die roll works out, you have a 2/3 chance of getting the short edge that you want--but if the dice go the other way, you wind up waaay out of position. But I notice now that the opposing long edge isn't a candidate for outflanking? If so, it's really just the corners that are vulnerable. If you have something you want to keep safe from outflanking, then the center of the board is still relatively safe. -Tom
Mannahnin		#10	[-]
Posts: 439 (05/07/08 04:56:16) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	You could spread out in the standard anti-infiltrate castle, with cheap sacrificial stuff on the outside of the formation (such as Rhinos), and more fragile/expensive stuff back against your table edge where the infiltrators can't hit it the turn they come on. Bear in mind that outflanking units (assuming the July 07 PDF that made the rounds is basically accurate) still roll to come in from reserves, and then randomize to see exactly where they come in, so even in an all-infiltrating army you're only looking at roughly 1/4 of your Outflanking units showing up on the side you want on turn 2. Which sure, if they're equipped with plasma guns or demo charges, will do some damage, but should get overwhelmed and killed immediately in return. "At the center of the Universe is a loving heart that continues to beat and that wants the best for every person. Anything that we can do to help foster the intellect and spirit and emotional growth of our fellow human beings, that is our job. Those of us who have this particular vision must continue against all odds. Life is for service. - Fred Rogers (a.k.a., "Mister Rogers") 1928-2003 The Yuku text/post editor is a piece of shit. Let me say that again: The Yuku text/post editor is a piece of shit.
veritas117		#11	[-]
Posts: 197 (05/07/08 05:08:07) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Good thing then that all those silly last chancers would only be 630 points, which you don't have to split up; it's merely optional. So you can make 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 rolls for the whole lot of them.
deFL0		#12	[-]
Posts: 3587 (05/07/08 06:20:00) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	It's actually an interesting way to deploy swooping hawks. You lose the grenade pack but if you can assault the turn you come in (which I don;t see why you couldn't), the hawks could move in 12, fleet and charge for for 18 + d6" range. That doesn't leave much are for a vehicle to hide regardless which side they come in on. Pete
Flavius Infernus		#13	[-]
Posts: 2539 (05/07/08 07:21:00) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Good call, Pete. With an autarch offsetting the reserves roll problem and the huge movement, it's an all new cheesy falcon trick. Guess I should paint up that Baharoth model too while I'm at it. -Tom
deFL0		#14	[-]
Posts: 3588 (05/07/08 08:58:33) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Yup autarchs are a good call too as they pick up the the unit's special rules, so you could infiltrate him too. I think you can even get some good use out of path finders to hold down a corner. Pete
andrewweakland		#15	[-]
Posts: 13 (05/07/08 09:05:36) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	We'll have to wait and see how this is shakes out I think. I am curious how they will deal with ICs like an Autarch taking the squads abilities. RAW might be that an IC joins the unit by moving within coherency, etc. which can't be done in reserves as the models aren't on the table... If we can do it, then whats to stop the autarch from piggy backing with scorpions, etc. and then taking off on his jetbike to get a fusion gun within 6 inches of whatever it wants? Like I said, it will be interesting...
Mannahnin		#16	[-]
Posts: 442 (05/07/08 09:44:29) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	When did Swooping Hawks get Infiltrate or Scout? "At the center of the Universe is a loving heart that continues to beat and that wants the best for every person. Anything that we can do to help foster the intellect and spirit and emotional growth of our fellow human beings, that is our job. Those of us who have this particular vision must continue against all odds. Life is for service. - Fred Rogers (a.k.a., "Mister Rogers") 1928-2003 The Yuku text/post editor is a piece of shit. Let me say that again: The Yuku text/post editor is a piece of shit.
ZiggyQubert		#17	[-]
Posts: 423 (05/07/08 11:51:27) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Mannahnin wrote: When did Swooping Hawks get Infiltrate or Scout? In petes mind... He keeps a whole slew of rules in there. I assume he's thinking about scorpians (which can infiltrate) and there exarc (who can also infiltrate I believe) ------------------ - Brookie
Mannahnin		#18	[-]
Posts: 446 (05/07/08 12:53:14) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	But they move 6" + assault 6", not move 12" + fleet d6" + assault 6" more. "At the center of the Universe is a loving heart that continues to beat and that wants the best for every person. Anything that we can do to help foster the intellect and spirit and emotional growth of our fellow human beings, that is our job. Those of us who have this particular vision must continue against all odds. Life is for service. - Fred Rogers (a.k.a., "Mister Rogers") 1928-2003 The Yuku text/post editor is a piece of shit. Let me say that again: The Yuku text/post editor is a piece of shit.
ZiggyQubert		#19	[-]
Posts: 424 (05/07/08 13:01:16) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hey don't ask me, ask Pete, he's the one with the rules in his head. ------------------ - Brookie
veritas117		#20	[-]
Posts: 198 (05/07/08 15:52:52) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	According to my source of coolz, character in reserve can join units in reserve, rolling once for the package deal. Hence why they removed bodyguards I'm betting.

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