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Stealers with FT are almost exactly as effective as the 4E stealers (against MEq) I believe they are even more effective against most other opponents. Just treat them the same, and assume they cost 17pts now.

Outlflank is great. It makes your opponent either bunch up in the middle, or give you a selection of targets to choose from.

The increase cover to 4+, and the use of units to screen, really help those armies with poor saves. Like the Nids.
The change to blast weapons means the barbed strangler is really boosted, and gives rise to a new crop of elite fexes. (BS/ST)
It even starts making the TLDeath look viable.
24" small blast S7, vs 3 hits with 18" S6 devourers. Plus the Deathspitters can hit vehicles without the -1 for AP-. (And you don't need the +BS upgrade as much)

Blord can now be effective, outflank and run.
Venomcannons always sucked for killing, they are only useful for keeping them shaken, they still do that.
assault attacks hit vehicles on the *rear* armor. So every stealer rend will Pen most tanks/vehicles.

Feeder tendrils are buffed, and easy/cheap to get. and still have a 2" range for other broods.

I am not convinced, but using a single 8 gaunt brood with WoN may now have some uses. Screen at first, then recycle to grab an objective. Go to ground and Lurk provide a 2+ cover save. (But no scoring if lurking.)

Biovores I think are gone, they were questionable before, and now they scatter a full 2d6"
Raveners are weaker, the rending nerf with no feeder tendrils to balance it out.

Flyrants can now deepstrike, then either shoot or run to cover.

Lictors are mostly improved, though a bit weaker against infantry, and always take a dangerous terrain test when they show up. (but, can assault sides of vehicles, have feeder tendrils, etc.)

Since Nids have such iffy shooting, only one model can get BS4... the new blast rules help. So the Zoan now doesn't miss half the time. (With the blast version anyway.)

I'm just not sure what makes them so much better in 5E than they were in 4E. Granted, there are more objective missions in 5E, but is that enough? You take quite a hit on models when you bump their cost from 5-6 to 8-9.

And you either need synapse on the back line, or they will break the turn after they come on

And with the variable turn games... it may end after 5 turns, make it hard to have enough time to get those little varmints back into play in time. Some have suggested Outflank and WoN... that just sounds like crazy talk.

As for Spore mines, my take from those discussions is you and your opponent have to decide whether they are considered a 'unit' or not.

If they are, then they give up 1KP, but they can also Run and contest objectives.
If they don't, then no to all of the above.

Personally, I think the RAW supports them being a unit, but I think they 'should' be played otherwise. (But even if not a unit, they should be viable targets for shooting and assaulting.)
Also, even if spore mines are deemed a unit, I would not think it applied to shots from a biovore that 'hit', since no mine units are in play until it misses.


I think the 'importance' of troop units will turn out to be not nearly as strong as it first seems. All I need is to control *1* objective with troops, and then have a strong enough army to contest or clear the rest of the objectives. To take an easy example scenario, A tri-falc eldar list, takes one objective, then tank-shocks onto the other three on the last turn. Game. Of course, with the new variable length game this isn't as reliable, but the concept is.

Lou, don't forget, those gaunts need a synapse creature in order to be able to move the next turn. They come on 6+d6, but are then 'stuck' without synapse. And if they lurk, they aren't scoring. And if they break and flee towards synapse, they aren't scoring.